Who Stays When Everything Changes

Postpartum hits…and so do the plot twists in your relationships.

In this episode, Meredith and Achint are spilling the unfiltered tea on what really happens to your relationships after baby. We’re talking:

1. Who stayed, who left, and who low‑key got demoted to “holiday card only” status  
2. How friendships change when you’re tired, touched-out, and texting back three days later  
3. The weird guilt and grief around outgrowing people you thought would always be there  
4. How we’re rebuilding our “village” in a way that actually feels good

Expect laughs, a few “omg SAME” moments, and the comforting reminder that you’re not a bad friend or daughter, you’re just postpartum and human.

If you’ve ever wondered:  
“Is it just me, or did my entire social life get tossed out with the hospital mesh underwear?”… this one’s for you.

Hit play to hear all the messy, honest, and hilarious behind-the-scenes of postpartum relationships and maybe feel a little less alone in your own.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

But this is like a social obligation cord that I feel like never ends. I just do whatever I want, and then I just deal with the consequences later. That's very anti-oldest child of you. I would always tell them like I don't want kids. She would tell me, like, I didn't know the meaning of life, and now I'm not even gonna fucking tell you guys at all.

SPEAKER_02 0:20

I feel like my family maybe had respects boundaries too much.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Actually, you made the concept of grandkids more important than you made your own child. Oh my god, it almost feels like we were sisters in past lives sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Welcome to Advanced Maternal Age. Real and raw talk from pregnancy, labor, 3 AM trenches, and the messy magic of motherhood. Fertility conception, surprise turns, and the acronyms no one asked for. Whether you're tracking your cycle, cuddling a newborn, or figuring out what's next, you're in the right place. I'm a chint. I'm Meredith. We're your co-pilots on this AMA ride. This is advanced maternal age.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Hey guys, we are joined by two little creatures today in the studio. So if you hear any coups and giggles and random cries, that is the children. So, you know, we're surviving today, not thriving. No, it's been fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

No, yeah, it's been okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

But we're keeping it real. Okay, so today's episode, I feel like, is gonna be, I don't know, maybe emotional in some respects. But I think it's a topic that I don't know if I would say it's taboo, but I think a lot of people maybe don't talk about it because uh it brings up emotions. Maybe people have like some feelings about it. But we want to talk about what we've experienced in our pregnancies and also postpartums when it comes to like family relationships and also friendships. So I think both of us had different um experiences in that way and things that worked out and things that didn't work out, you know, things that maybe went one way and we didn't expect it to. So yeah, we just kind of want to talk about that. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate to this. Like I said, I think it's not taboo necessarily, but I just think it's one of those things that maybe people are like, okay, we don't really need to talk about it. Because maybe people are afraid to bring up people's or hurt people's feelings.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Yeah, or it brings up more bitter than sweet feelings. Yeah. And it's like, it's fine, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

I mean, it's part of life, right? Like anytime you go through not just becoming a parent, but anytime I feel like you go through like a big pivotal change, whether it's like Yeah, people think that about weddings, right? Weddings, you graduate, you start a different career, you move, all these any major things, or you suffer a loss, grief. All of these things in life like change you and you have to like adapt to it. And either your inner circle adapts to the new person you are, or you find, you know, a new inner circle, or you, you know, gather people along the way. Yeah. So I feel like you should start it off a trend with your pregnancy story and like your family dynamic and what happened with that.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

I think when it comes to culture, there's a lot of almost like a sense of obligation, right? That even if you don't want to do something, you still do it because, like, how are my parents gonna feel about this? Or somebody's gonna feel upset or whatever. It's it's a very big like brown people thing. I think it definitely happens a lot with the Indian, like or Southeast Asian culture.

SPEAKER_02 3:27

I don't, I can't really say on behalf of other people, but just what you mean, like that expectation of doing things a certain way.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

Oh, yeah, there's an obligation. There's an obligation to anything. Like, oh, I want to get a tattoo, but like my parents would be so upset if I got a tattoo. That type of thing. So, like historically, me being the person that I am, knowing that I'm gonna have like a bunch of judgmental comments, I just do whatever I want and then I just deal with the consequences later. And usually the consequences are never as like significant as like what you build it out to be, or at least with my family, I've been fortunate enough that my family doesn't make it a big deal. Yes. Are there situations where people do things and then their families might be upset, don't talk to them, disown them? Yes, right. Like I am fortunate enough that that doesn't happen in my family, but there's always like judgment about doing certain things.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

So you're saying this because to basically explain that culturally, even as an adult, somebody who is married, you've moved out of your house a lot of people. Yeah, there's always obligations. Right. When you were trying to conceive and become pregnant, were your parents aware of that? I don't know if I knew. Do they know that you're even trying? No. They didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

No, so like, yeah, here's the thing. Like, I think there's like what they say this in like Reiki and energy healing, right? Like, there's like that cord, like the energetic cord that you're attached to your parents, especially with the your like mother, because they birth you, right? Okay. So it's like that energetic cord, but this is like a social obligation cord that I feel like never ends with like generations. Of course, I am first generation, so maybe it's with me more. It will be less with my kids, hopefully. But yeah, this has always been a thing with me, is that in my family, I do something. I got a tattoo, never told anybody, got a dog, never told anybody. I just do things and then you'll deal with it. And then I'll deal deal with it later. But yeah, so with Indian culture, having kids is such a big thing, right? The whole culture and ideology with Indian, Indian people is like it's a very big thing to get married. It's a very big thing that the families should get along. And then, like, it's a very big thing that you should have kids, right? So the kid conversation happens. I can't say that our parents really forced us to the first couple of years, but then after a while, it was like people my age. Yeah, because people my age who were getting married, they were all having kids. People that got married after me, they were having kids. And my mom was like, What's wrong with you guys? Like, why you got married when?

SPEAKER_02 5:56

When you were like 28?

SPEAKER_00 5:57

I think 29.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Okay. So by cultural standards, kind of late too to get married.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, but now it's like becoming, I don't know, it the the pendulum swings. Now people are getting married younger again. But yeah, with the millennials, we do get married.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

But the expectation was that within the first couple of years of being married, you would have had a kid. Yeah. So because you didn't for like six, seven years.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Yeah, like it's like three years fine, but because we were older, it was like you should really. I think with my parents, after a year, a year and a half, they were like, all right, get on with the program. Like your husband's older than you, you're not necessarily young. It's not like you got married when you were 25. Right. That you had all this time on your hands, right? Like I know people that got married right out of college, they got 10 years before together before they had kids to have that relationship. Yeah. So even if they're having kids when they're in their late 20s or 30s or whatever, it's okay because they were married for so long and now they're having kids at a time that is like, okay, you've enjoyed your life. With us, it was like, I'm getting married, quote unquote, later. My husband is getting married later. Right. So you don't have time on your hands. So, you know, people used to make comments and in my family just ask, like, what's going on? My mom had this thing where she just felt like everybody else is doing something, you should do it too. Because, like, with a lot of Indian parents, it's like they give this like negative or competitive like way of talking down to their kids, and then they expect that you should prove them wrong, or like that should motivate you. Motivate you. Yeah, like be like, okay, bet. Yeah. Like, oh, okay, yeah, you're right, or you know, maybe then I'll do it too.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Well, she clearly doesn't know her daughter very well because I can tell you that would never work on you.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

No, that would never work. But I tell my entire family, I'm like, you should know by now. If you if you expect that you're gonna try to tell me something and you want me to listen to you, don't say it. You're not gonna do it the more you say it. No, I always go against the grain. Right. Always like if you want me to do something and if you say it, I'm gonna do the exact opposite of what you say. You want me to go to right, I will go left and prove you that the left was better than the right.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

That's very anti-oldest child of you. Because usually oldest child is very much like do everything. Like I was, I always said I was scared of my parents. Like I would have never not done what they told me to do.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

I have done a lot of listening to my parents. And at a certain point in my life where I felt like I was starting to be misunderstood, yeah, I then just started doing whatever I wanted to.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

You didn't tell your parents that you were trying to get pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

Well, I wasn't, I think I've mentioned it, right? That we were never like trying to get pregnant for a while.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

We were like they never had an inkling that a baby was like on the horizon.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

No, because anytime that conversation happened with my family about it, I would always tell them, like, I don't want kids. Like, I'm very okay being the aunt. Like, I don't want kids.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I won't don't want kids because my mom had what was your mom's reaction when you would say that?

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Oh, she would get really upset. She would tell me, like, I didn't know the meaning of life, that I don't have my life together. I don't have my life together, like I don't know anything. I'm just out there wasting my money and my time. And I'm like, I love spending money on myself. What are you talking about? Like, I still love spending money on myself, right? So it was a lot of that. It's not something that she can understand, clearly, because she tells me that I'm like in the wrong age group to be having kids right now, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:21

So she just didn't, she couldn't see another way other than her way.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

She just basically was like when she couldn't break me into the concept of having kids, then that would trickle to like family, friends, relatives, everybody. And it would always be like now it became a conversation bigger than my parents. It became like things that other people in the family would talk to me about. Her friends would stop by anytime I was visiting home and they would make comments like, Oh, it's been enough time now. You should have a kid. You should have a kid. And I'm like, um, are you raising my kid? Are you paying for that?

SPEAKER_02 9:54

I love how it's a community like voting society.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

And I would literally always tell my mom, I'm like, okay, so every single one of your people that you think is making comments about me having kids, tell them to write me a check for$25,000 to$50,000. I would love to deposit that towards a potential IVF, you know, bank account fund. I would love to put that towards, like, you know, my child's living expenses, all college expenses, everything. And I was like, because if you want to make those comments, you better have the backing and do something to support, you know, your investment in my life. Like, if you're so invested in my life and what I'm doing with my childbearing years and the concept of a child, then you should want to be part of it.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

When you did get pregnant, you were not on the greatest terms with your mom at the time, right? When you did get pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

So my mom and I have like a very, I wouldn't say complicated, but it's a very volatile relationship. Or it's become a volatile relationship because as I have gained autonomy, I've gained you know, I had my own career, I got my own money, now I'm married. Like, I don't live, I'm not that Indian person that lives by like, oh, I'm married and I have like my house and my family, but I still need to listen to everything mommy and daddy say. Like, I'm not doing that. Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:10

And geographically, you live far enough from them that that probably also helps.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Oh, yeah, that makes a big difference. We were very conscious because of the AMA and the fact that we it was kind of like a surprise pregnancy where we weren't like doing the IVF and we were kind of like, all right, we'll let God decide what's going on. Right. That we wanted to keep it very like low-key. And part of it was like, Oh, I would just maybe I'll tell my family, but I want to tell them on my own time. I want to make it like a big surprise. I want to shock my entire family.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Oh, wow. Okay. So you had like all this intention to do some big reveal.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yeah, but it was gonna be like a really crazy reveal where I just send invites to like my baby shower to the family.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Like I was, I was like a hard launch.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

Yeah, it was gonna be like a serious hard launch like that. Like, here's my invite to like the the baby shower.

SPEAKER_02 12:01

So what happened that made you not tell anybody?

SPEAKER_00 12:04

I was already pregnant. We had gone home for the holidays, and my mom started on the conversation again, and now it's like it just was like such an abrasive conversation. And maybe if I wasn't pregnant, if I wasn't as hormonal, maybe it just would have been like another blow-up fight, and it would we would have like walked. You could have let it like roll off your back. Yeah, and like whatever, you just get over it and whatever, you know, move on. But something happened with that conversation where it just like kind of escalated so much, and there was so much said, like on both sides, right? But it was so much said, and I had always heard this, but I think when you're pregnant and then you're hearing like those conversations of like, you don't know what the meaning of life is, you don't know anything, like this is not how it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Like it's just very accusatory.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

It is accusatory, but it was like the conversations that I was like, wow, like you really, I think at that time what I was thinking is like you're so focused on a goal that you're actually forgetting to enjoy your child, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:05

And your child being pregnant and like watching you go through that.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Well, no, just like actually being appreciative of the fact that you have a child, you're just focused on the child's goal, right? The child's goal is like, did you get married? Did you have kids? Did you get married? Did you have kids? It's not like, hey, my child came home after six months. I should just enjoy maybe watching a movie with her.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Oh, right. I understand what you're saying. So it was like all consuming. She couldn't even just like be present with you and enjoy the time over the holidays.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Because it was always a conversation because if she wasn't having it with me, she was having these conversations sometimes with like my her friends. Well, her friends were making comments, but sometimes she would like she would talk to your husband about it. Yeah, and like we were very tight-lipped because we had already decided with our family, and we started telling our family too. We're not doing IVF. We, if we have a kid, we have a kid. We are just not gonna put that pressure on because of our age, right? So, yeah, she didn't know I was pregnant, made a lot of comments, basically told me that I have like no understanding of the meaning of life, and I will basically die alone, and I will like be a miserable lonely soul.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

And your personality, because you were already pregnant, were kind of like, okay, we'll fuck around and find out.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Yeah, exactly. And I literally was like, wow, I was about to tell you guys, and now I'm not even gonna fucking tell you guys at all.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

And now you're just gonna have to wait and wonder. So this was always so crazy. So when you first told me this, I remember thinking, like, oh, there's no way she's gonna go the full course. Like, there's no way she's gonna literally like her whole pregnancy in the dark. But you basically did, like, you got to the bitter end. If it wasn't for your father-in-law spilling the beans, you would have you would have gotten to the end.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Yeah, and we hid it from like my in-laws too for so long. Only my my brother-in-law was the only one to know for the longest time. That was the mistake.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

You did should have never told the in-laws.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

So, like, you know, the first pregnancy, you don't really show in your stomach. So I was like still wearing the jeans. Yeah, I was still wearing jeans, like those same jeans I'm still in, or before pregnancy, up to like five months or so. And then when my stomach really started to show a little bit, I just stopped going over for you know, there was always an excuse made for why I couldn't go. So we told my in-laws at like 34 weeks, and we're like, don't say anything. And they were like, Oh my god, you haven't told your parents. I was like, No, like we're gonna wait. That time it was like, oh, geriatric pregnancy. I want to wait, what's going on with my induction? Like, made up a bunch of excuses. Right. So this was like a month before you gave birth. Yes. At that point, my aunt had put it together. She's like, Oh, no, this makes a lot of sense. She hasn't seen us since Christmas, this, that, everything else. Only her husband has showed up whenever we wanted to hang out with them. So that happened. And then we kept on pushing the conversation. Every week, my in-laws are like, Oh, what's going on? Why haven't you told your parents? And I'm like, Oh, this excuse, that excuse, G D A M A, like every excuse under the sun is being used. And then at one point, my parents are not getting the answer from anybody. So my mom's like, All right, then I'm gonna call a gent's in-laws. And so then they start calling, and then and he just couldn't do it. I think like he, I don't remember at this point. Something happened.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

The guilt of like lying to them or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Yeah, the guilt of lying to them. So something happened, and he's like, Oh, a ginth hasn't told you. Oh my gosh, she's like due in 10 days, and then all of a sudden my mom finds out and she's like, This is so exciting, but I was so pissed. This is what happens with brown people, right? There's like no, there's no respect for boundaries. Well, there is no respect for boundaries.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Like, that's not only a brown person thing. I feel like there's a lot of families. I mean, I feel like my family maybe ha respects boundaries too much, actually. Like you could argue, like, there's no if you put a boundary up, like no boundaries, no one's crossing that boundary, no one's even coming close to it.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Especially with Merida.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

So if you want to, if you want that boundary to like come down, you're gonna need to make it known, like, okay, like it's actually okay if you you know do a little bit of breaching the wall.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Yeah. I mean, so it was it was really tough. I mean, I think you saw it through like, you know, I had a lot of times that I was like very upset, very sad, you know.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Because you didn't get to experience that, like being pregnant with like your mom and your dad, like knowing.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

No, actually, I don't even care about that. Like, okay, I was more upset again. It was more like you made the concept of grandkids more important than you made your own child.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

But that's what I mean. Like you you were robbed of that experience of like being able to like be pregnant and have those moments and to have your mom come with you guys while you were like buying stuff for the nursery or whatever the case may be, because all she cared about was like the end result, not like the journey to getting there, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yeah, not even the journey, it but it was also like respecting the fact that if I never had a kid, that that she might have never been able to, yes, she might have never been able to accept it. Now, how's our relationship healed? Of course, you know. She came the night before my surgery, she stayed for like three and a half weeks, was very helpful. Very happy to be a grandma. Oh, yeah, very happy to be a grandma. Obviously, our relationship has repaired. We don't really cross that boundary, but I think because the end result is there. I mean, I think the thing is that it's it is annoying though, right? To like feel like you are not appreciated as a child, but you can be appreciated when you have a grandchild.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

I fortunately did not have that experience with my family. I mean, I always said that I would love to be a mom. I didn't always say that. Probably like when I get into my late 20s, I decided, okay, I actually would like to be a mother one day. But similar to you, I was very much of the thought of listen, if it's meant to be, it will be. What's meant for you doesn't pass you by. I'm not saying that I would have been against doing IVF or anything like that if I needed to. But of course, it wasn't like on my radar right now. And then also my pregnancy was not like a planned pregnancy, like I wasn't actively trying to be pregnant. So it all just really happened like by God's like plan and the way that it should be. So I'm fortunate that I didn't have that kind of um pressure put on by my family. My son is also the second grandchild in the family. So my sibling had a kid before me a couple years prior. Unfortunately, when my sibling was pregnant, we hit a patch in our relationship where we weren't close anymore. And then they're the type of person who really can hold a grudge and talk about boundaries. Like they won't verbalize the boundary. They'll made the boundary up in their head, but oh, you better be a mind reader and know about it, kind of thing. So all this to say is when I was pregnant and I was very open. I told everyone in my family, I was very excited about it when I found out about it. I told my sibling that has a child about it. They responded to me maybe like several weeks later. I don't know, something very nonchalant. So from there, it just kind of was disappointing. And I did have moments of like, you know, I don't know if sadness is the word, but more like disappointment, just being like, wow, we so this is an experience that we can say we've shared with each other. Yeah. And we couldn't even like come together in that time. So that was probably as far as family goes, uh, the only weird place of uh contention. But I feel like with friends, when I was pregnant, I didn't experience really any different treatment. If any, if anything, all my friends were really excited for me because most of my friends already have had kids, you know, in their 20s, their kids are older. So everyone was really excited that, like, oh, I was finally, you know, pregnant and gonna have a family and be a mom. And everyone was really jazzed for me. But postpartum has been interesting because there has been, well, as we know from my birth story, I went through a really bad birth experience and really struggled with getting back on my feet after the C-section and the complication. And I feel like what's been shocking to me is some friends that I thought would show up for me, because they have up until this point in my life, they didn't. And they really just were in the wind. But then equally, there's been friends that I really didn't think would show up as much as they have. So it's interesting in that way, like what has happened. Whereas some friends I really thought, oh, for sure, like they're gonna be there. They've always been like my ride or die, is they'll continue to be my ride or die. But the ones that I like, let's just say wouldn't have been too surprised if maybe they weren't as present in my life as maybe they once were before I became a mom and had a kid. Some of those friends really have like show.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

And that's been like really interesting. So I guess it's that old adage, what's meant for you will be for you. And that kind of is how I feel about the friendships now, like having a kid.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

I also have to say that a part of that is also you have to un you can only understand and experience that if you've gone through motherhood. Right. I feel like I owe my friends who had kids prior to me having children, like an apology because though I could feel like concerns for their kids or their situation, or yeah, I would have the same type of rage too if I was in your situation or the anxiety. You really don't feel it the same way until you're in it.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

No, for sure. 100%. And a lot of my friends, my close friends that have kids, they don't even live by me. So my circle here, a lot of my friends here don't have kids yet, or they're gay men and they don't want to have kids. I agree with you. It's until you're in it, you really can't know for sure. And I think I've always been like supportive, but I can definitely say that like now that I am a mom of myself, I'm more aware of like where I could show up better for my friends. I feel like I never, yes, even the ones that are like long distance from me. Even if that's just like checking in on them more than maybe I once did, you know, asking like about them, not always the kids. Because you know, when you call, you're always like, oh, how are the kids? But it's also like, oh, but how are you?

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Yeah. I don't, yeah, that was a big thing. I I think with certain friends, I did check up on them more than I their kid, but I think I could have done more in terms of just overall checking in or providing support. Even if it's like, hey, I sent you a gift card so that you could have a meal because like nobody realizes that you're not really eating or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

And I only when I was or even like a gift card to like do some self-care because you know they're not gonna spend that money on themselves.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Yes, I think. Things like that. Anything, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

But I also think, you know, we brought this up on other episodes. My mom even said it on her interview to you and I that like me and you, you know, we've known each other for a little over a year now. Like our friendship, you know, really caught on like a house on fire. And yes, we're very close to each other. Like we literally live 10 minutes walk now. We're about to live less than 60 seconds walk because we're I'm about to move across the street in a couple of months' time. But and our kids are only, you know, three months, three, four months apart. We could have met when we met and we could have gotten along, but we we could have not built the friendship that we have. Exactly. So again, I believe it. I know you believe it too. Like, you know, God puts people in your life for a reason, and 110% our friendship, it is because we were meant to like meet each other and we were meant to meet each other when we did. Yeah. Like we met when you were pregnant early on, a few months before I became pregnant. And when I first met you, I would have never in a million years thought, oh, in 60 days' time, I'll be pregnant too. Yeah, that was the weirdest thing. I would have never thought that.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

It was the weird, like we, this is like one of those, like, I don't know. That's like a real true karmic. Every person that you meet in a life is supposed to have like some sort of like karmic, like a reason a season or lifetime is what they say.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Like people come into your life or reason a season or lifetime.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Karmic tie to every single person that you meet in your life. And I'm like, oh my God, it almost feels like we were sisters in past lives sometimes because like we met at like the most unique point in each other's lives. Yeah. And yeah, it's been great.

SPEAKER_02 25:30

And that's another blessing of having kids when you're older, because I'm not saying you don't have a village when you're younger, but I just again, I don't know. The way I was in my 20s, I wouldn't be thinking the way I'm thinking now. 100%. I wouldn't be.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

But maybe when you have kids, you'd gain a different type of maturity, even if you're younger. Like I you're forced to for sure. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Yeah, you're forced to versus you choose to at this age. So I think the takeaway from this episode that we wanted to just get across to everybody is when you go through big changes in life, in our case, you know, becoming mothers, there might be some changes in your relationships, whether it's your family dynamics and your family relationships or your friendships. But if things do go a different way than you expected or thought that they would, I think what's helped me is just to kind of take a step back from it and be like, okay, you know what? Maybe these relationships are meant to be this way for now. Because like how our relationship between you and I is something I could have never, I'm gonna get like emotional. I could have never like dreamed it up. And it's been like lucky, yeah. It's been like a real like blessing. And like I could have never like created it, you know. So if other friendships or relationships in my life, you know, fall a little bit, I have to just trust that maybe they'll come back. And if they don't, then that's the way it was meant to happen. Yeah, you know. We hope you guys like this episode. It was a little different than the last couple ones with the interviews and you know, talking about, you know, specific things that we did during pregnancy. This was more of a like a relationship life update and just kind of like a stream of consciousness of like our mental state and like what we've been experiencing so far.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

But I feel like our mental state right now. We're like borderline exactly. It's been a long day. It's been a long day.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

But I think that we'll probably do another one of these next season because it'll be interesting to see like where our heads are at in like six months' time and you know what's changed. So on that note, we're gonna go feed and bath time these children, and we'll talk to you next week.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Bye, Marcy. Bye.